Initial random thoughts on Saints-Giants

• Eli Manning’s numbers say he played well.  22 of 35, 259, 4 TD, 2 INT.  I thought he had a bad game.  On the first series of the game, he threw was should have been an extremely easy pick.  How do you drop this?

On the second series, Eli threw a pick 6.  That pass was even worse.  For one, the receiver wasn’t open, but also, the throw was terrible.  It was thrown a good two yards behind Jernigan.  I’ve come to expect better from Eli Manning, an I mean that as a compliment, but he’s having a rough season.  Not that “QB rating” is the end all be all, but here is where Eli ranks in comparison to the rest of the NFL’s QBs.  Flacco, Kolb, Fitzpatrick… Interesting company:


• I’m convinced that Eli Manning gets away with intentional grounding more than any other QB in the history of the game.  Here’s the rule, just FYI:

Intentional Grounding of Forward Pass

  1. Intentional grounding of a forward pass is a foul: loss of down and 10 yards from previous spot if passer is in the field of play or loss of down at the spot of the foul if it occurs more than 10 yards behind the line or safety if passer is in his own end zone when ball is released.
  2. Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion.
  3. Intentional grounding will not be called when a passer, while out of the pocket and facing an imminent loss of yardage, throws a pass that lands at or beyond the line of scrimmage, even if no offensive player(s) have a realistic chance to catch the ball (including if the ball lands out of bounds over the sideline or end line).

At the end of the first half, Eli got away with one of the more obvious intentional grounding calls you’ll see.  He drops the snap:

Picks it up:

And chucks an awkward looking jump pass:

Here’s what the TV screen looked like when the ball hit the ground:

Not that it matters (because the rule book says nothing about a “receiver being in the area”), but Martellus Bennett was standing about two yards deep in the end zone.  That pass is nowhere close to him.  Clearly intentional grounding.  That should have been 2nd and 20 from the 28.  Instead it was 2nd and 10 from the 18.  A few plays later, touchdown.

• I think it’s fair to say David Wilson has some talent.  We can agree on that, right?

327 all-purpose yards!  That is a new Giants single-game record.

And almost as importantly, he had both hands on the ball in traffic.  If you fumble in the NFL, you won’t be around long, no matter how talented you are.  It seems Wilson is beginning to realize that.

Just what fans of the other NFC East teams need: A talented Giants player with a signature TD celebration:

For the record, I like the backflip.  Very retro.  Ozzie Smith would be proud:

• I’m a big fan of Will Hill.  Here’s more on that.

• There was a play where Prince Amukamara horse collared a Saints player:

He then complained that he didn’t horse collar him to the officials, and tried to show the officials how he tackled the Saints player.  In doing so, he demonstrated a horse collar tackle:

• I remember back in training camp in Albany, I watched Stevie Brown working as a gunner on the punt coverage team.  He looked slow.  My first thought was, “That guy ain’t making the team.”  Brown now has 7 interceptions this season.  That’s 2nd in the NFL.  He also has 259 INT return yards.  That’s the most in one season by any Giants player in team history.  I won’t be earning a scouting job in the NFL anytime soon.

• On a non-current team note: 19.5 sacks for Aldon Smith now. Three games left, one of which is against one of the worst offensive lines ever (Cards). Bye bye sack record, Favr.. er.. Strahan.

• All in all, nice win for the Giants, although I realize a lot of this seems negative.  It really was a big win.  People like you and I can look at that Saints team and go “Pfft… That team sucks.”  And maybe they do this year.  But that is a team that has owned the Giants in recent years.  Always good to beat teams that have had your number.  I’ll have more the Giants this week, as they have a very interesting matchup in Atlanta on Sunday.

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  1. Troy O says:

    ” On a non-current team note: 19.5 sacks for Aldon Smith now. Three games left, one of which is against one of the worst offensive lines ever (Cards). Bye bye sack record, Favr.. er.. Strahan.”

    No doubt… With the crazy amount of pass attempts this day and age the record will soon be broken if not by Smith then somebody.

    Strahan not being a 1 trick pony (like Smith) makes his feat more impressive. IMO

  2. Troy O says:

    did you crop out the Giant WR that was only 6yds from the pass? sneaky..very sneaky .. Ive seen WR 15yds from the pass and it not be called.

    nothing to see here.

    1. Ha, no. He wasn’t on the tv screen.

      And OF COURSE you’ve seen egregious intentional grounding calls not called! You’re a Giants fan!

  3. Very insightful. We Giant scribes already know the lay of the land with Eli. Not sure he gets as many breaks as everyone thinks. Brady, Rodgers and Brees get plenty of latitude and mush more than Eli ever will.

    I see someone commented on the Giants’ O-line doing a lot of holding. Guessing he doesn’t watch many Cowboys games….

    1. Do you mean “on the field” help with that QB comparison, in terms of getting calls, or in terms of criticisms from the media/fans/etc? I think I agree either way, but just want to clarify where you were going there.

    2. I love how this blogger used Qb rating since most people now a days think thats a useless stat and that total QBR is a better way of ranking QB’s and right now he is 8th but really 7th cause Alex Smith hasn’t played in 4 weeks now so he trails Peyton, Brady, Ryan, RG3, Rodgers, and Big Ben. So its not like he’s been bad. He had 3 bad weeks. No one ever said Eli was the best regular season QB in history. That award goes to his brother but if there is a playoff game to be won I’d take Eli on any given day.

      1. Dave R says:

        Who’s “Most People.” Are you talking about ESPN’s Total QBR? I mean, passer rating is awkward. The equation makes very little sense. The maximum value is an awkward 158.3.

        But, the best indicator of success – in all of NFL history – is Passer Rating Differential. OPR – DPR. Fact is, for all it’s faults, it is a great victory predictor. Total QBR doesn’t really have that kind of pedigree. 69 of 72 NFL champs have been Top 10 in PRD (yes, Giants are an exception both times).

      2. I wouldn’t call QB rating “useless.” It’s definitely flawed, and I suppose you missed the part where I was careful to note it’s not the end all be all.

        Also, not sure who really cares all that much about the QBR thing.

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  5. brisulph says:

    Yeah Eli was still not great last night… he got lucky they were playing the Saints, and not a good defense.

    As for Wilson doing flips, I am surprised TC has not said anything to the effect of “cut it the f*** out!”.

  6. Agree on Nicks.

    Only thing I knew about Stevie Brown was he was drafted by the Raiders so I knew he would be fast. But man, what a year.

    If the Giants make the playoffs, Brown might have ended up being THE best free agent signing this year. Vincent Jackson has also been very good, but a touch more expensive than Brown.

    1. horatius says:

      So, that dickweed Mara’s plan worked wonders. Neither Dallas now Washington could sign Stevie Brown away from the midgets who were right up against the cap before the season.

      1. NYG_slater says:

        lol u guys are so ignorant.
        First Brown signed a 600k contract. Considering what you spent on Garcon or Carr. you could of found that money.
        Secondly, I don’t understand why everyone thinks this was Mara’s plan. He wasn’t even the first owner to raise the issue. He was on the competition committee which ruled on the complaint originally brought to them from owners outside the nfc east (do a little google search) Furthermore, stephen jones is also a member of that committee, was it his plan too?

  7. Mandmeisterx says:

    Crazy that Romo and Brees are just outside the top ten, despite the fact that they lead the league in picks.

    1. Cruz Control says:

      Astonishing that Romo is doing so well with such a crappy O-line. He’s git my respect.

  8. ameero2 says:

    I think the most eye-popping stat is he’s only been sacked 14 times.

    1. horatius says:

      The midgets get a lot of homer calls on OLine holds. THey hold every play all day and twice on Sundays.

  9. dannymac056 says:

    Agree on Eli, not his best game in a generally mediocre season (for him). I think a strong argument can be made for Nicks’ injury being a major factor, but even with that I think there has been a lack of mid-range accuracy and his deep ball lost a little bit.

    Prince thing was funny, but I gotta admit, that kid can play. Really solid season.

    I get the sack record hate from non-Giants fans, but I’ll never care- Strahan should go to the HOF for his work against the run. The second best even-front DE against the run ever after Reggie. The sack record has always been just a bonus to me.

    I think Refs have kinda applied a loose 10 yd rule based on where the receiver is for intentional grounding. I actually think they do a great job with a pretty unclear rule. 10 yds usually accounts for plays where a wrong route can lead to a pass landing far away from any WR, but not always. If I remember correctly, Eli got called for one later in that game where he was under pressure and tried to throw it away close to a route- he thought Hixon was going to run the 9, and instead Hixon broke it off. The ball sailed out of bounds near where a 9 would have been, and they threw the flag. I’m fine with that call and how they call it generally.

    Great writeup. After the last few against the Saints… full disclosure, I thought the Giants would lose that one.

    1. Agree on Nicks. Such an important player. The success/salsa-ing of Victor Cruz has almost made Nicks an afterthought, but he’s so good. Nicks’ playoff numbers were spectacular last year. He was as big a reason for their run as anyone. They need him.

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