Random thoughts from around the NFC East: Who would you take? Eli, Luck, or RG3?

Madieu Williams

- Per Chris Russell of ESPN980, Madieu Williams is visiting the Redskins.  He was a good player for years with the Bengals, but those days are probably over.  The Vikings signed him to a monster 6 year, $33 million deal in 2008, but his play fell off after a year or so with them.  Last season, he played the first 4 games (141 snaps) with the Niners while Dashon Goldson recovered from injury, and then never saw the field again.  It appears he was healthy.  Niners fans forgot he was on the team.  The Redskins’ situation at safety is a potential disaster.

- I added a menu at the top of the page here for the NFC East’s 2013 draft picks.  Nothing noteworthy for the Giants or Cowboys, but the Eagles have an extra pick for the Brodrick Bunkley trade, and the Redskins have a few things of note as well.  Obviously, they don’t have their 1st round pick, but they do have an extra 5th round pick from the Albert Haynesworth trade. Also of note is the Donovan McNabb trade. The Redskins traded Donovan McNabb for a 2012 6th round pick and a conditional 6th round pick in 2013. However, McNabb did not meet the minimum playing time requirements in Minnesota, so the Vikings do not have to send their 2013 6th round pick to the Redskins.

- Saw this interesting poll (or rather, interesting results) posted in the fanpost section over at Hogs Haven.  The poll is titled “If you could choose Eli (as a rookie) over RG3 and Andrew Luck, would you?”  They are clear to note that it’s “knowing what you know now,” meaning that have the advantage of knowing how Eli panned out prior to the pick.  I don’t think they mean that it guarantees a couple of Super Bowls – I think it just means you know the caliber of player you’re getting.  Comically, Eli is buried in last place.  This is basically the same thing as when you have $50,000 in Wheel of Fortune, you know the answer to the puzzle, and you try to spin again. Who would you take?

Continued after the jump…

- Trevor Laws is visiting the Rams.  He has also visited the Patriots.  It appears the Eagles are making no attempts at bringing him back, nor should they.  It’s pretty safe to call the former 2nd round pick a bust at this point.

- Joe Avezzano passed away.  You might not know the name, but if you’re at least, ohhhhh, about 25 years old, you should remember the face.  He was the special teams coordinator for the Cowboys for 13 years, and I remember him as the guy that would get extremely animated for the most basic, routine special teams plays, like extra points.  My dad used to get mad that they showed him on TV after every single special teams play, but how could they not show him?  If gifs existed back then, he would have been the subject of hundreds of them.  RIP, crazy Cowboys special teams guy (I say this with affection).  You were a fixture of my formative football years.

- There’s a “leaked NFL schedule” floating around out there.  I’m not linking to it.  Just know that if you stumble across it, it’s nothing more than a guy with too much time on his hands.  There’s a 0% chance that NBC picks 2 Seahawks games, not to mention “Colts @ Bears” in Week 13.

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  155. Teet says:

    If you don’t pick Eli, you seriously need to re-evaluate what it is your looking for in a franchise quarterback…since the poll is being lead by Eli at the moment, I see most people have the correct priority, winning Super BowlS, in mind.

  156. bdawk4ever says:

    Definitely take RG3- he seems like a better version of McNabb to be. Or at least as good as him.

    I’d never take Eli. He hasn’t won anything by himself. Its usually his defense (07) or the ineptitude of the other team (11).

    He’s just a mediocre QB.

    1. giantsfan says:

      On the bright side, your credibility evaporated a long time ago so I guess you can’t do any more damage to something that doesn’t exist.

    2. Plax says:

      HAHAHA! its all luck right? i can taste your bitterness and its wonderful

  157. Gary says:

    Pains me to say it, but I’d take Eli without thinking twice.

  158. Roy says:

    “The Redskins’ situation at safety is a potential disaster.”

    Better than the QB situation being a potential disaster… I’ll take it!

  159. Immynimmy says:

    RG3 is picked because the Redskins are simply drinking kool-aid. Which is fine, after what they’ve been through this past decade or so.

    1. WeNeedLinemen says:

      I love the arm strength, he also seems to have good touch. I like his confidence as well, he seems like a natural leader, but I still deep down have this feeling that he could be a horrible, horrible bust.

      As a Redskin fan, I am used to horrible QB play, so perhaps it’s just a defensive mechanism trying to prepare me for any potential disappointment. Or maybe it is just the natural pessimism that develops when you wait 30-years for a franchise QB, but I don’t see RGIII as a sure thing.

      I’m also wondering where Gruden and a lot others were getting this “fastest QB ever” thing from. I’m sorry, Vick looks faster on the field, and that’s against pro-players. I’ll take RGIII’s size, height, academic intelligence and character over Michael Vick but speed, no, running ability, no. It’s close but no. Moreover, we’ve already seen what ultra mobile QB’s like Randall Cunningham, Steve Young and Mike Vick can do. It add’s something to their game but it doesn’t transform the position. Quarterbacking is still all about what you can do in the pocket. RGIII has all the tools to be good in the pocket but it’s not a sure thing.

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  162. Mark Sitko says:

    yeah – the fake schedule is hella bunk – like more bunk than bunkley was…the guy didn;t even know basic rules, like all teams play their own division in the final two weeks…he has us closing against the Cowboys, which is very likely, but that is our only NFC East game after November – NO WAY EVER, right?

  163. deg0ey says:

    I voted for RG3 for no reason other than I don’t think I could bear looking at Eli’s face for 20 weeks a year and Luck isn’t much better. In terms of ability, I think that both Luck and RG3 have a pretty good chance of being better than Eli, but depending upon the quality of coaching they get it might never happen. Having said that, if I had to pick one of the guys to give to Andy Reid at the beginning of their career, it would have to be Luck.

    1. giantsfan says:

      This is comical. How many qbs in history have ever won multiple superbowls? (11) How many qbs in history are have won multiple superbowl mvps? (5). You think two qbs in this draft class have a “good chance” of being better than someone who is on both of those lists?

      1. deg0ey says:

        Pretty much, yes. I don’t necessarily think they will both get there (especially given the state of the Colts organization) but it certainly wouldn’t surprise me if at least one of them does.

        I also think it’s a mistake to measure how good a player is based on their performance in one game; at the end of the day, Super Bowl MVP means very little. How many times has Eli been League MVP? How about Offensive Player of the Year?

        I don’t want to take away from the Super Bowl wins, but they were a team effort. A QB can win a Super Bowl without being good (Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson) and they can be good without winning a Super Bowl (Marino).

        Will Luck and/or RG3 win multiple Super Bowls? I have no idea. Do they have a good chance of being better than Eli? Definitely.

        1. giantsfan says:

          How many league MVPs does he have? Who cares? You’ve seen what Eli has developed into, a multiple super bowl winning qb. You don’t know what RGIII or Luck will develop into because they haven’t thrown a single pass in the NFL. Skins fans are drinking the kool-aid if they think they wouldn’t take Eli in a heartbeat.

          1. deg0ey says:

            *eyeroll* Eli’s good, yes. Is he the best? no. Nowhere have I claimed to know what RG3 and Luck will develop into, but the potential is there for all to see. If they get in the right situation, either one of them could be pretty damn special.

            1. giantsfan says:

              Yes but you claimed that you think they have a chance to be better than the guy. I’m saying that you’re crazy for:

              1) Believing that because nobody can know what they will develop into (see Ryan Leaf).
              2) Being totally willing to take that chance as opposed to taking a proven commodity.

      2. Maximdim says:

        Although Eli was easily the best QB in the NFCE last year, he really doesn’t deserve that 07 SB MVP… That game was won because Strahan, Tuck, and Umenyiora (sp?) was hitting Brady every play, the secondary took Moss out of the game, Tyree caught that once in a lifetime helmet catch, and Burress caught the game winning TD… If you subbed in a QB like McNabb or Matt Ryan, or any other top 10-15 qb, I’m pretty sure that the Giants still would have won… sub in another teams DL though, and the giants most likely lose that game… Eli REALLY shouldn’t have been superbowl MVP

        These were his stats for 2007:
        56.1% completion percentage
        3,336 yards with a 6.3 avg
        23 TDs – 20 INTs
        For a rating of 73.9
        29 rushes for 69 yards (2.4 avg) with 1 TD
        and 7 FUMBLES lost

        In the 07 Superbowl he had an 87.5 rating… Lets even take out the INT he threw which was off a tipped pass if I remember, and his rating is 99.5… Good game, but even 99.5 doesn’t sound ELIte superbowl MVP like

        If someone were to tell me he didn’t deserve the MVP this year I’d tell them they’re an idiot/sore loser and he totally deserved it, but to say he deserved the one in 07 is pretty dumb.

        1. Will says:

          What are the rankings for the defense that year? Not terrible, but not the 85 bears. Or even the 90 Giants.

          He deserved the MVP in 07 because of the last drive’s heroics, and this
          http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2167_Eli_stands_alone.html
          (sorry don’t know how to link on this site)

        2. bdawk4ever says:

          No way did he deserve the MVP.

          It should have went to the theory of luck, because that’s what won it. And if not that, it certainly wasn’t Eli.

      3. bula says:

        he won the 07 mvp because he was the qb and the qb wins super bowl mvp unless some other player has the game of their life. d-line should have shared that mvp. he deserved mvp last year. i’ll give him that much

        1. giantsfan says:

          This is a huge misconception. Since 2001, 5 non QBs have won the super bowl mvp and 7 QBs have won the super bowl mvp. To put that in a broader perspective, since 1967 25 QBs have won superbowl mvp and 20 non QBs won super bowl mvp. Given that breakdown, it’s clearly not uncommon for a non-qb to win super bowl mvp.

  164. Tracer Bullet says:

    Yeah, you realize the Jaguars were on MNF twice last season, right? At least the Seahawks have a reasonable chance to be competitive in the division.

    1. MNF is vastly different from SNF. MNF gets terrible games every year. I’m talking about SNF.

  165. ArthuroMolenda says:

    Not sure I’m getting the poll.

    We need to chose between two unproven prospects who never took a snap in the NFL and a two time SB MVP ?

    No matter Luck and RG3 upsides, common sense says to take the sure think. Better have 2 SV rings than 3 possible ones.

    1. giantsfan says:

      if i were a skins fan … i would probably have gone crazy by now too

    2. Kyle S says:

      I am not sure eli is such a sure thing he pretty much rode his defense in the playoffs and was clutch at the end of all the games. I think when these rooks get to eli’s age in the league they will also be that clutch and if the have a defense as good if not better i think they will win as many rings as eli. Remember defense wins championships. plus eli just gets lucky his team gets hot at the right time when all the other teams get cold. Alanta’s inept offense and d. Packer’s can not cover a hail mary. SF Fumbling twice on special teams as alex smith was just bad in that game. Welker can not catch the game icing catch.

      1. brisulph says:

        You mean that defense that gave up a comical amount of points during the regular season? You mean that defense that forced Eli to carry them all year? Oh yes, by all means, give them all the credit.

      2. Plax says:

        cmon man.

    3. WeNeedLinemen says:

      I think the point of the pole is not that you would get Eli Manning in 2004 and the two Super Bowl rings he has won with the Giants but and identical talent, an Eli clone, now in 2011.

      We know Eli has won two Super Bowls with Tom Coughlin and the Giants defense but would you rather have a clone of the rookie Eli than RG3 or Luck.

      We’ve all seen what Eli can develop into. He is an upper echelon passer, but maybe not in the top 3 or 4 in the game. He might be the most clutch QB in the league at the moment. That said, he struggled early in his career. He struggled badly enough that but for that late, improbable run to the Super Bowl there were Giants fans calling for him to be replaced in 2007.

      Last year he led the league in interceptions. A lot of people were taking the mick when he called himself an elite player at the beginning of the year. I am a Redskin’s fan but I’ve always thought Eli Manning was decent player. I can remember feeling like a lonely voice when I was defending Manning at the beggining of last year, sometimes against Giants fans who seemed to have forgotten his contribution to the 2007 win.

      Moreover, although Manning had a good season this year, his team very nearly missed the play-offs. No one had them picked as champions when the post-season started and they were hardly dominant in any of the games. He is a good QB, but not one who can tranform an offense into a powerhouse all by himself.

      So, that is what I think the poll is about. Who do you prefer: Luck, RGIII or A. N. Other who will struggle early on, but has the potential to turn into top tier passer whose greatest strength is his clutch ability in the post season.

      Personally, I’d rather take Luck.

      1. RogerPodacter says:

        point of the pole, eh?

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