9 random thoughts on the craptastic Giants

We did 10 random thoughts on the craptastic Eagles yesterday. Time for the Giants to take their medicine..

Brandon Jacobs had an awesome run last night.

Then he danced like an asshole, when his team was still down 11.  Then the Saints scored on their next possession.  And then their next one.  And then their next one.

Jacobs ran for 46 yards last night on 13 carries (3.5 per carry).  And he fumbled.  On the season, he has 320 yards on 3.1 yards per carry.  Three. Point. One.  His long run of the season is 15 yards.  He bitches about the fans booing him.  The bad news for Giants fans is that Brandon Jacobs is very much a has been.  The good news is that he won’t be a Giant next year.

Kudos to Victor Cruz, by the way, for shelving the salsa dance while his team was on the wrong end of a blowout.  Good kid.  Good player.

When Steve Weatherford punted for the Jets, he tried to run for it on 4th and EIGHTEEN.  It was not a designed call.  He didn’t make it.  Old habits and dumb punters die hard.

Jerry Reese doesn’t seem to have had a real plan for the OL this offseason.  On the first day of free agency, I wrote a piece entitled “What exactly is Jerry Reese’s plan for the OL?”  Let’s look at that post point by point:

Yesterday, the Giants cut 2 of their 5 offensive line starters (Shaun O’Hara and Rich Seubert) as well as their first guy off the bench (Shawn Andrews).  Andrews’ release wasn’t surprising at all, and if the Giants had cut either O’Hara OR Seubert, it wouldn’t have been a major surprise.  Cutting both certainly was.  The Giants previously had the oldest OL in the NFL.  Well, they’re not the oldest anymore, but it leaves the Giants offensive line with the following issues:

They have no viable center.  The first guy in line to start at center, as the roster currently stands, is Adam Koets, who tore his ACL last November and is still recovering.  Koets has appeared in just 11 games and started 4 in his 4 year career.

Later that day, they signed David Baas.  While Baas has been a decent upgrade over O’Hara (who was awful in 2010), Baas hasn’t exactly been “good” either.  But OK… It’s a need filled with an adequate player.  Can’t have great players at every position.  So what else?

They have a major question mark at LT.  William Beatty was drafted in the 2nd round of the 2009 to be the future LT.  So far, he’s been a disappointment.  He lost a training camp battle to David Diehl last season, and when Diehl went down with an injury, it was Andrews, not Beatty, that subbed in.  Beatty eventually got a chance to play when Andrews also got hurt.  I’ve heard people say Beatty played great in his limited opportunities last season, citing the fact that he didn’t give up any sacks.  However, in 168 snaps played last season, Beatty had a whopping 6 penalties, or… a penalty every 28 plays.  To put that in perspective, Chris Snee played 1099 snaps last season.  At a rate of a penalty every 28 palys, Beatty would have had 39 penalties playing a full season.

Beatty has been OK, actually, and he’ll only get better.  He has certainly exceeded my expectations.  It’s unfortunate that he suffered a fairly serious eye injury.

Almost no depth. I would project the Giants OL, as currently constructed, to look like this:

LT – William Beatty, LG – David Diehl, C – Adam Koets?, RG – Chris Snee, RT – Kareem McKenzie

Their bench looks like this – Kevin Boothe, Mitch Petrus, James Brewer, Jamon Meredith.  I would guess that Boothe is the first guy off the bench, no matter who goes down.  He’d fill in directly for Diehl, Koets, and Snee if any of those guys went down.  If either tackle went down, Diehl might kick out to tackle, with Boothe filling in at left guard.  Not good.

Boothe indeed IS the first guy off the bench in any scenario, which, as noted back in July… not good.  Meredith is gone.  Koets is gone.  Brewer isn’t ready to contribute.  So who did the Giants bring in for added depth?  Former Eagles disaster Stacy Andrews, and undrafted rookie free agent Jim Cordle.

Even with the cuts, age concerns abound.  After going 7 consecutive seasons of not missing a start, Diehl showed serious wear and tear last season, missing four games with nagging-type hip and hamstring injuries.  His health has to be in question.  Meanwhile, on the right side, while I believe Snee and McKenzie may very well be the best RG/RT tandem in the NFL, McKenzie is 32, and Snee is knocking on 30.

Diehl has been beyond terrible all season.  Just brutal really.  Snee and McKenzie are now far from the best RG/RT tandem in the league as both have significantly regressed.

We’re only a day deep into free agency, so obviously a lot can change.  But this is where we currently stand with the Giants’ OL.  Did the Giants know they were going to cut O’Hara and Seubert back in April?  If not… Why not?  And if so, why wouldn’t they do more to address the OL in the draft?  Maybe there’s a plan in place during this free agency period.  Let’s see it, Jerry.

There was no plan. The Giants can’t run the ball to save their lives, and have not given Eli Manning adequate protection.  They drafted players at positions of strength with their first 3 picks, ignoring their biggest needs.  It would be unfair to criticize Prince Amukamara and Marvin Austin.  Nobody can predict injuries like that (OK, well maybe Austin to a degree).  The 3rd round pick, Jerrel Jernigan, has been terrible so far.

On that last semi-run-up-the-score pitch by the Saints last night to push the Saints point total to 49, Jason Pierre-Paul sprinted downfield and almost caught Mark Ingram.  The rest of the defense watched.

JPP is going to be star for the next decade.  Major talent. Seems to have some heart, too.

Speaking of that run-it-up moment, a lot of people have pointed to Payton’s former stint with the Giants when Jim Fassel took away Payton’s play calling duties.  Maybe.  But I wonder if Brandon Jacobs’ nonsense had anything to do with that.  Or maybe Payton is just a dick.

How do you win the time of possession battle and still give up 49 points?  It’s not like the Giants’ offense was going 3 and out all night, or turning the ball over left and right.  It’s not just that the Saints scored a lot.  They scored quickly… a lot.  And with extremely ease.

That’s not a game Deon Grant will want to remember anytime soon.  Couldn’t cover Jimmy Graham all night (not that anyone really can), and got juked out of his jock by Drew Brees inside the 5.  Very embarrassing moment.

Da’Rel Scott won’t be seeing the field again anytime soon.

As noted earlier in the Hierarchy post…

The Giants have given up 277 points this year.  That’s 5th worst in the NFL.  They’ve allowed 382 yards per game.  Also 5th worst.  They give up 131 rushing yards per game.  Somehow, that makes them only the 9th worst in that category.  They give up 251 passing yards per game.  7th worst.

Their opponents’ combined record: 55-66.

The Giants have some really big names on their D, but let’s just call it what it is: This is one of the worst defenses in the NFL.


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  22. Smitty2K3 says:

    “Beatty has been OK, actually, and he’ll only get better.”

    I wouldn’t be too sure about that. We were saying the same thing about Winston Justice last year or two years ago. Look how that turned out.

    1. True. No guarantees. I do like what he showed though.

  23. benjmain says:

    speaking only for myself (giants fan in redskin territory), yes, i am pretty much fed up with Jacobs’ BS. and by “BS”, i mean everything: the tiptoeing at the line of scrimmage, the shocking ease at which safeties and corners can bring down a 270-pounder, the inability to recognize when to shut up and, relatedly, not actually shutting up, and–perhaps worst of all—the 1000 mile-wide gulf between how he talks and how he backs it up on the field.

    Jacobs’ problem is that he has not fully grasped that he’s not the runner he was in 2007-8—not even close–and his demotion in favor of ahmad has clearly embittered him. his brain just is not where it should be right now. i can’t even begin to imagine what was going through his head when he went into that celebration routine while down 11 points (and counting), but suffice it to say that it merited a very loud and protracted “C’mon man” in my living room.

    PS while i disagree on Baas, the rest of this post = spot on

    1. Smitty2K3 says:


  24. youngwiz says:

    do the giants even like brandon jacobs?

    1. youngwiz says:


      1. DerfDiggy says:

        I remember going to the Cowboys/Giants home opener(to which the Boys lost:( )

        I had excellent seats….3rd row , 24 yard line. Jacobs was warming up….and got into it with some fans. Dude had to be restrained by the Giants staff…Just a complete clown. I’m no eagle fan, so I wouldn’t be so uncouth to throw a drink at him…but if any player deserves it…It’s Jacobs.

        I’m probably giving too much info, but I also worked for Under Armour in Baltimore…to which Jacobs was signed to for awhile, and came in and talked to employees around the office. Once again, he got into it with some Cowboys and Redskins fans, and it wasn’t just friendly banter. He edged on disrespectful trash talk to many employees.. He admitted he absolutely HATES the Cowboys. I wanted to punch him in his mouth, but He’s much bigger in person, so I’d have to hit him with a chair, or two…The dude is just a complete idiot.

        Desean is second in the “Idiot of the division” competition though.

        “we gone sting dey azz!”

        1. slandog says:

          Haha you’re right about Jackson. I’m an Eagles fan too, but the guy just doesn’t get it. He’s not even close to being a complete WR, yet he acts like he’s Jerry Rice. He’s got great speed, but after that he’s all mouth.

  25. slandog says:

    Jacobs is a punk IMO. He hasn’t really done anything his whole career, although I think a few years back he had one good season, maybe two. But he acts like he’s a top RB.

    It’s funny how he acts when his team is blown out, telling you he loves the spotlight even for a second and even if his team is getting blown out.

    I agree with you on JPP too. As an Eagles fan he just scared me for the next 8-10 years!!

  26. Turd.Ferguson says:

    So since we can agree that Baas has been an upgrade over O’Hara, he’s guaranteed to go to the Pro Bowl right?

    1. Ha. Seriously, O’Hara’s appearance in the Pro Bowl last season is undeniable proof that the Pro Bowl is a joke.

  27. brisulph says:

    Glad to see my request for a craptastic post did not go unheeded.

    1. I’m a blogger for the people, Bri.

    2. …although I only did 9 🙁

      1. brisulph says:

        They didn’t deserve a full 9 for that defensive… let’s call it a performance.

  28. giants fan says:

    Did you miss the game where they got blown out by the eagles? How about last week when they barely beat the skins?

    Cowboys look like the best team in the division right now, but “head and shoulders” doesn’t exist in the east this year.

    1. Joe says:

      Did you see when the Giants lost to those skins ? and lost to the eagles, lost to the seahawks, and almost lost to those fins that dallas just “got lucky” to beat…..the division will come down to the Gmen @ Cowboys in a couple of weeks all the talk till then is just talk…..should be fun, and i believe it is the Sunday night game to boot 🙂

  29. Jalarsen1 says:

    Cowboys have been a different team since DeMarco Murray stepped up (with the one Eagles game exception). Before him, they had no running game, and put the ball in Romo’s hands to screw things up…which he usually will if given enough opportunities.

    HOWEVER…Romo is a good QB if he’s not asked to do too much. Now that they can run the ball, they actually look like a reasonably good football team. They certainly look head and shoulders above the rest of this crappy division.

    1. Smitty2K3 says:

      Head and shoulders above the rest of the division??

      I beg to differ. They should’ve almost lost to the Skins and Dolphins in back to back games. They looked far from impressive in those games. They were just lucky.

  30. ameer says:

    Cowboys can clinch the division if they win the next two and the giants lose to the packers.

    1. ameer says:

      Btw i’m aware that the eagles need to lose one more game for the boys to officially clinch it under that scenario or they would still mathematically be in the hunt. But we all know that this team has no heart.

      1. packimop says:

        true stories

  31. giants fan says:

    agreed agreed agreed


  32. Jason-E says:

    Sean Payton: a top ten douchebag in the NFL.

    1. RogerPodacter says:

      i was saying similar things the entire game.
      of course, when jacobs did that crap, i would want to run up the score too.
      also, the saints perhaps were trying to control the clock by keeping possession and moving the ball downfield. they probably just scored faster than planned. (big assumption here)

      i think its a little of all of them.

  33. BBI says:

    Cannot really disagree with anything said, Jimmy. Only want to point out that Reese, nor anyone, could have guessed that the OL would be bad to this degree. Diehl was a probowler at G before moving to LT.

    The biggest reason why people were concerned over the OL was Beatty, but he turned out to be OK. Nobody would have ever guessed at the regression shown by Snee and McKenzie.

    Baas has sucked in run protection, but has been pretty decent in pass protection. Still, not really worth his contract.

    Can’t really blame Reese for the starting OL struggles. Blame him for the lack of depth would, however, be appropriate.

    Everything else is spot on in my eyes.

  34. Will says:

    And the greatest thing is the Cowboys can still screw up enough to let the Giants win the division!


    1. They most certainly can. Very possible.

      1. DerfDiggy says:

        Hanging your hats on the failure of a division rival, instead of the success of the team you play for.

        My how the mighty have fallen.


        1. DerfDiggy says:

          Play for = Cheer for…you get the point.

          Probably means I should stop trolling.

        2. The Giants don’t have to hope for anyone to falter. They still control their own destiny. In fact after they lose to the Packers this weekend, they’ll STILL control their own destiny.

          1. deg0ey says:

            Giants sweep the ‘boys, lose to GB and NYJ. Eagles win the next 5 games. Giants, Birds and Boys all finish on 9 wins, Eagles take the division on tiebreaker.

            I don’t honestly believe this will happen, but I can still dream, right?

          2. DerfDiggy says:

            Well the boys and the boys and giants have a real dilemma here.

            Two lucky teams.
            Both can control their own destiny.
            Two going in…but only one can come out!
            The battle of all battles, war of all wars.
            Giants v. Boys……..The 2011 Edition. !!!!!!!!!!!

            And as the under-card we have the Dream Team…fighting from the grave, and the Redskins, fighting for…..well….Fighting for a top 5 pick.

            1. Shaun says:

              LOL…..good post Good ole’ NFC East football….never a dull moment!

          3. Will says:

            That’s what I was going for too.

            Despite losing to the Seahawks and vince young led eagles, and getting destroyed by the Saints, the Giants still control their destiny.

  35. Dez Bryant's Probation Officer says:

    Could be worse. Could be the Redskins.

  36. Stephen says:

    So its Cowboys then huh. Yuck. I’d rather the Giants or the Redskins took the division than them.

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